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Hardie Plank
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:32:32 PM »
Presented with evidence for the second time that Hardie Plank had been approved by some of the sitting members of the ARB on a 1910 home, a 1935 home and a 1952 home as full wrap siding, the ARB still denied by a vote of 3-3 (failed motion) the Rothrocks the use of this siding on their home at 116 Cannon St. So I assume they prefer the plastic wrap to Hardie Plank and the City will continue footing huge legal bills til this is sorted out in Court one way or the other. I guess they think the taxpayers have plenty of money to pay Elise and Doug Baxter to continue fighting this. There is another thread about property rights on here and this goes along with that. When it comes to government--face it-- you have none. Let's see if Bradley stands good with his promise to evaluate the ARB and their power or if it was more empty words from Council. The huge number of homes sitting for sale in the Historic District will probably sit idle longer as people see they can buy a house but they cannot make it Their Home. Even Jody Tamsberg pulled his application which consisted in part of requesting siding.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 06:31:35 AM »
And Marty you are not the only one who now has to have Police escorts at the Hall. For the first time ever there was a cop standing out side watching the dog and pony show. He left after we were done with the presentation but it seems he was called back in to finish the night out. I guess they were attempting to make it look like he was there for the whole meeting. As we were leaving I told the young officer good night and he said good now I can go home and eat dinner.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 07:46:59 AM »
It only matters who you are in this town Lee. I am sure someone has already pointed that out to you and your boss. This town is so blinded by the us against them attitude it will never move forward. The funny thing is some of the ones fighting you the hardest are really outsiders too. They moved here and now want everyone to think they are from here. Will your boss sue Paige Sawyer for his use of public office?

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 08:53:46 AM »
Gee Lee, I'm impressed that anyone would give you the time of day at city hall.  I figured you and anyone you associate with were on the "written communications only" list announced by our illustrious Mayor.  Just who is on that list?
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 09:44:46 AM »
Since the list has never been made public don't know where I stand with that. In the officer's defense. He may not have known who was speaking to him. Hate to get him in trouble for an innocent mistake. I am still perplexed as to why an officer was present unless the Board knew the outcome of the vote before hand (ex parte communication) and figured they better have someone on standby to protect them from some preconceived threat. Since there has never been one single threat other than litigation directed at the ARB they must be basing their fear on something they heard from someone somewhere. Bias and prejudice at it's best continues to rule this town as Marty is fully aware.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 10:35:24 AM »
There is an article in the paper today that did not make the online version. Questioning why there was a cop at city hall for the ARB meeting and covering the Hardie Plank issue. Also Chief Gardner says in his tenure here he has never had to have one to attend a meeting. Are we living in an open society in Georgetown or not? Can we not have interactions with our and I repeat OUR government and not be intimidated in the process by feeling like a criminal with the presence of Police. Marty and I endured that one day on a trip to the hall and then to have to go through that Monday night sickens me with the leadership or lack thereof. Paige Sawyer said because of the dilapidated buildings this town is going to look like a 3rd world country. Well I will say I think the only thing reminiscent of a third world country here is the way the Government treats it's citizens, it's employers, it's bosses. So do us a favor those that are in charge and presumably live in some self manufactured form of fear----If you can't take the heat get the HELL out of the kitchen. Other wise act like the paid servants you are and bow before your subjects as none of you are kings or queens by birthright. You asked for the position and you got what you asked for.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 10:53:20 AM »
Guess I'll have to go take a look see at the paper version. Give 'em hell Lee!
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 12:13:18 PM »
They have it up now. Sounds like a screw job was done. Shame on Jan Lane for requesting a police officer!
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 03:18:56 PM »
Did they say it was Lane who requested an officer? I skimmed the article. Jack was also at this meeting, having attended many it is the first time I have seen him there.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 04:05:55 PM »
No, but I can't imagine she wasn't involved or complicit.  Screw Jack Scoville and his ilk!
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 06:01:03 PM »
ARB members are appointed by Council for a term of 4 years. Nancy Gilman has been on there at least 6. I have read minutes where she voted on things in 2005. Could she be an illegal voting member of this board? I have not seen anything in the 2009-11 City Council minutes where she was re-appointed to a second term. There should be a time limit on these people concerning their tenure. At least 1 or 2 years off. Also Roberts Rules of Order, which is specified in the ARB by laws as the governing protocol states the Chair shall be impartial. Shall not participate in discussion/debate and should vote last if the chair should vote at all. Their job is to moderate the meeting and make sure both sides are behaving. Well for the past 3 years I have seen nothing but the chair being one of if not the most vocal member of the ARB. Sounds like legal needs a refresher course in rules of parliamentary procedure. I can see why people would not be up to date with that book it is a long and exhausting read.

After further research the Chair in a board of a dozen or less members can participate in discussion and debate. Which clearly is contradictory with remaining impartial. No wonder gov. is so screwed up.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 09:24:08 AM »
I should bring up a flagrant violation of due process during this meeting that the Chair, a member and the City attorney let fly and did not strike from the record or oppose. Rene King alleged that the original siding was never seen by the ARB as I had covered it up prior to them viewing the house. When this was said Jan Lane, Nancy Gilman and Elise Crosby were more than aware that this was a complete and utter lie and disregarded, once again, 14th amendment rights. Lane and Gilman were both at the onsite meeting September 16, 2008 as the siding issue was discussed. They were in agreement it was not salvageable. Yet they let a sitting member lie during discussion. Jan Lane called me down about improper procedure but allowed King to present false evidence during discussion. Well I am in the process of getting quotes to have the wrap and moisture barrier removed so that King can see what we were up against. These people continue to push the issue causing more expense to me and the City and so far the City sees fit to trudge forward. Based on the law we have done our part to mitigate the cost of this protection of property rights and equal treatment for all and have been met with resistance.

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 10:14:44 AM »
If viewing the siding is an issue here are some of the best areas of the siding. I cannot find the cd with the horrible spots.

http://s1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/lfp328/

Personally I cannot see how anyone forgot about those hot pink flags. I thought I did a good job with a standout color.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 10:58:20 AM »
Sorry for commandeering the board for this one topic. One other illegal/improper topic from Monday nights meeting. Dick Newcomb was making his motion to approve the hardie plank and was interrupted by the Chair, Ms Lane, while speaking. Another violation of Roberts Rules. One could say she was trying to stifle the approval of Hardie Plank or at least circumvent the proper procedure.This was the same treatment given to Mrs. Rothrock during the Dec. 17, 2008 meeting which was to be a vote only, but the board threw out one unsubstantiated allegation after another and would not allow the applicant to refute these allegations. Has this entire process been forthright and open and fair to the applicants? No. How many people have had to endure this type of treatment on their property and either have not had the stomach to fight or wanted to spend the money necessary to combat this method of railroading citizens? There is a home on Duke St that, without ARB permission, put iron handrails and columns to allow the older couple to navigate their back porch and they were told that the iron railings and columns were not appropriate for the District yet Debbie Thomas who sits on the ARB has the same thing on her back stoop. Granted they may have been there when she bought the house but how do you tell someone you cannot have this when it exists elsewhere and has not been taken back to something more "historically" relevant?
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2011, 03:44:49 PM »
The ARB was originally set up with rotating terms. Upon inception there was 1 four year and 2 each of 3, 2 and 1 year terms to guarantee rotation and that an autocratic society could not form. What little I know of the law may fit in the palm of my hand but common sense tells me the one's who wrote this neglected to directly point out no consecutive terms. Based on this I say there was no way Nancy Gilman should have been appointed to a second consecutive term. Even the City is unable to sort this one out. The question of term limits on appointees has been presented but no answer has yet been provided.

1600 Establishment of Board of Architectural Review
Board of Architectural Review In order to achieve the purpose of the Historic District and in accordance
with Section 6‐29‐870 of the Code of Laws of South Carolina, 1676, as amended, a Board of Architectural
Review is hereby created. The Review Board shall consist of seven members who shall be appointed by
the City Council. All members appointed to serve on the Board shall be residents of the City of
Georgetown with the exception of the slot to be filled by an architect. Any non‐city resident appointed
to fill the architect position must be a resident of Georgetown County. All members shall demonstrate
an interest, competence or knowledge of historic preservation. The Board shall be made up of the
following; (1) a historian knowledgeable in local history, (2) a planner, (3) an archaeologist, (4) an
architect, or if an architect is not available to serve, someone knowledgeable in building design and
construction, (5) a resident of the Historic Buildings District, (6) a representative from the Core
Commercial Buildings District, (7) a member of the Georgetown Historical Society. In the event an
architect, historian, planner and archaeologist are unavailable, then a resident of the Historic Buildings
District and two at‐large members shall be selected for these positions. The initial terms of office for the
members shall be established as follows: one member for a term of four years; two members for a term
of three years; two members for a term of two years; and two members for a term of one year. All
subsequent terms shall be for four years. Any vacancy in the membership shall be filled for the
unexpired term in the same manner as the initial appointment. Members shall serve without pay, but
may be reimbursed for any expense incurred while representing the Board.

The BZA sets out a time frame with their membership--

1500 Establishment of Board of Zoning Appeals
A Board of Zoning Appeals is hereby established. Said Board shall consist of nine members, who shall be
citizens of the City of Georgetown and shall be appointed by the Georgetown City Council for
overlapping terms of three years. Initial appointment shall be as follows: two members for a term of
three years, two members for a term of two years, and three members for a term of one year. Two
members added by an Ordinance on December 15, 1994 shall be appointed for terms of at least three
years. Any vacancy in the membership shall be filled for the unexpired term in the same manner as the
initial appointment. Members shall serve without pay but may be reimbursed for any expenses incurred
while representing the Board. Members cannot hold any other public office or position I n the City. A
member may serve a maximum of two consecutive terms. A member can be removed for just cause.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2011, 10:19:08 PM »
A related article in the paper was about public satisfaction with the Police Dept.

I am not happy with them when they are abused and used as an instrument of intimidation by those in power.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 02:21:27 PM »
I concur with that statement Marty. Also tonight is an on sight meeting for ARB to approve Jody Tamsberg's request for Hardie Plank siding and an addition at 710 Prince St and the eyesore that is being redone formerly known as KFC had to stop work on the roof and come before the ARB to get roofing permission. That is on sight tonight as well. Meeting begins at 5 at 710 Prince moves to old KFC and back to chambers for discussion and votes. Should be interesting how this plays out as Tamsberg has aluminum on that house and my guess is it was never dried in and the siding is a mess.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 02:26:56 PM »
Hardiplank?  On a contributing structure?
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 02:51:45 PM »
Elise says contributing and non contributing is a red herring or at least she argued that in court. Judge Culbertson said it did matter.

Depends on what is under that aluminum. Their logic is if there is no siding under there you can pick/choose. Much like the permission given for the 1910,1952 and 1935 houses they approved it on. I guess they didn't have wood underneath. Wonder what is happening with that bungalow across from Prince George Episcopal that is nestled between Hardie Plank houses? Has Jan Lane gotten the City to pay for a structural engineer to evaluate it, since the property owner's assessment was not good enough? I see the ARB review sign is still out front.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 07:49:34 PM »
No Hardie Plank for the Tamsberg's. They will be allowed, pending BZA approval, to bring the house forward on the lot. The original part of the home was constructed in 1894 and it doesn't contribute to the District. Nancy Gilman says the purpose of the board is to help homes become contributing again. Really Nancy. Then why did you allow Hardie Plank on a 1910 home Nancy? How about a 1935 one? Since when can someone undo history? Especially when they are allowing a full relocation of the home from it's original footprint. And entertaining the idea of allowing the chimney caps to go.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 10:19:20 PM »
Are you saying there are logical and factual inconsistencies in what people on the ARB say and do?
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 12:05:05 PM »
To sum it up in single words.

INCONGRUOUS.

ARBITRARY.

CAPRICIOUS.

 Much like other whims executed in this City and by it's various boards and commissions.
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2011, 10:20:11 AM »
This is a letter to the editor in the May 13 Times that is not online yet. Lee Padgett wrote this on his own without a directive by me as I feel sure people will read this a being "part of his job".


The article in the May 11, 2011 edition of the Times asks for some clarification. This on going debate has been front and center for nearly 3 years and there are a few issues to address. This is about property rights and the right to a fair and impartial hearing before a group such as the ARB that has power over your property. When first asked for Hardie Plank and the mention of it being on existing homes in the Historic District the argument was "I guarantee you it was not approved by us as we have been together as a board". "We only allow Hardie Plank on new construction and additions not on old, historic homes". When presented with evidence that 3 homes (circa 1910, 1952 and 1935) have been approved for full wrap with Hardie Plank the conversation changed to "Those houses are on the fringe or outskirts and this one is in the Heart of the Historic District". And from there every excuse in the book was tossed out. Quasi judicial boards such as this, in order to avoid overturning of ruling and the formation of  lawsuits, are required that a fair and impartial hearing is held with both sides being heard and allowed to present opposing testimony. At the December 17, 2008 meeting Mrs. Rothrock and I were forced to endure a barrage of allegations being thrown forth and per the Chairman of the Board at that meeting she was not allowed to speak to refute anything. Mr. Cave said, "This is instruction per the City, that no new evidence will be presented". The City has continued to spend huge amounts of taxpayer money to defend this. This indefensible situation.

Jack Scoville said the meeting at the house on 116 Cannon St, with members of Council present, got out of hand and this justifies Ms. Lane's choice to have an officer present. If things got that out of hand why was the police not called then? Why wait 3 years and 8 meetings later to ask for "protection"? Ms. Gilman says she is uncomfortable around Rothrock. She voted for Hardie Plank on all three of the aforementioned homes and voted to deny the Rothrocks the use of this product. Frustration and anger with her seems conceivable. Under former Mayor Wilson's guidance it was decided to hold a "workshop" to get information to present to the Planning Commission for consideration concerning Hardie Plank. Per the transcription of that meeting. Scoville and Sawyer wanted the ARB to have first say as "they are our experts" and the Planning Commission only received a letter from then chairman Dennis Coppola stating he did not feel this product was appropriate. The issue died.

At the ARB meeting Monday May 2, Dick Newcomb was attempting to make his motion to approve Hardie Plank and in clear violation of Roberts Rules of Order, Jan Lane interrupted him and broke his train of thought. At that same meeting Rene King expressed an untruth that went unchallenged by the City. This was a new application and the prior issue was not to have been addressed and Mr. King asserted that "he understood the previous board was never allowed to view the siding". Neither of these issues were addressed by the City attorney when they happened.

Peggy Wayne is being vilified now as "violating her fiduciary duty as a Councilmember" by assisting someone in a lawsuit against the City. Seems history shows Peggy Wayne tried to mitigate this before it went to court. To no avail as the City, or certain leaders of, continue to use the taxpayers funds to oppose this.

When those entrusted to preserve the History of the City and ensure that all 14th amendment rights are honored in the process and these people blatantly disregard the facts and procedures it would be easy to assume frustration would grow from that. Some taxpayers are frustrated with paying to defend this. Some Council members are frustrated with the ARB and want an evaluation done. The ARB is frustrated with the applicant so I guess there is plenty of frustration to go around.

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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2011, 04:42:04 PM »
Great letter to the Editor about this issue and the ARB in the paper.

http://www.gtowntimes.com/letters/Letters--May-23--2011
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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2011, 07:02:43 AM »
Now the City is tossing the kitchen sink at them. A letter about compliance with a Flood Ordinance was issued. One thing. The flood ordinance was approved by Council in May 2009. House started in 2008. OOPS!  I guess all these rumors I had heard about Jack doing what it takes to crush his enemies has some legs. I do not believe he wants this or any other issue facing the City by people he doesn't like to come to an end.
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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2011, 07:25:58 AM »
Who signed the letter Lee?
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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2011, 09:46:26 AM »
Don't forget Paige the scarecrow Lee. Paige is pushing this just as much as Jack the scumbag. Those two think they can extort and use the city to punish anyone that dares to take them on. The little bit of interaction I have had with Steve tells me he will stand up to those two morons.

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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2011, 10:30:28 AM »
It came from B&P. Once again they are being used to bully citizens. We have asked for the 1987 flood ordinance that this new superseded but it is no where to be found. Paige said it himself in an email concerning lawsuits against the city that we received via one of those "alleged" illegitimate FOIA requests, that the majority of lawsuits against the City stem from Building and Planning, will take me awhile to locate it but it is around somewhere.
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2011, 11:56:08 AM »
But who in B&P signed it?  The new gal?
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2011, 01:51:31 PM »
I believe so. Don't have a copy with me.
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2011, 12:30:15 PM »
We have found Attorney General Opinions that now back up the assertion that the Tie Vote was no action taken and that the new Hardie Plank application is automatically deemed approved by the 45 day rule that is part of the City Codes dealing with the ARB. A 2004 and 1973 AG opinion and since we know Jack holds these opinions in high regard he will have to ask Crosby to step back on this and allow the HardiePlank to go on. They have no further argument this time. If they continue to fight this recent issue -- it goes beyond the scope of Will To Win and solidifies any Federal action. Wonder if the stuff will start going up shortly???

 See Op. Atty. Gen. dated January 3,1973 (a tie vote takes no action). Rule
36 would have been applicable to revisit this motion on the same day as its rejection.

http://www.scag.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/04apr1mcfadden.pdf



As set forth by Rule 36 of Roberts' Rules of Order, a motion to reconsider "...can be made
only on the day the vote to be reconsidered was taken, or on the next succeeding day, a legal holiday
or a recess not being counted as a day."
 

This sets the June agenda item in an illegal state because it is a "Motion to Reconsider" and not a motion to rehear the motion.
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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2011, 01:23:15 PM »
Love it Lee!  Scoville does love those AG Opinions.  Love these Jack!
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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2011, 05:44:33 PM »
This ruling does not fit with King Jack's agenda. It is null and void according to the king. You serfs need to try again. This is King Jack's town not yours. Want to bet that is the discussion in executive session with Jack and Paige?

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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2011, 09:17:49 AM »
Seems Dick Newcomb (the alleged backpocket guy) has to beg the indulgence of his own board on Monday at the ARB meeting at 6pm, wonder if he will suffer retaliation for his views and votes? Also the questionable vote from May 2 re HardiePlank is up for reconsideration or a revote or something (not clear as Roberts Rules states that the reconsideration can only happen the day of or the day after the vote and is allowed at the next official meeting but since the ARB had an onsite meeting with KFC and the Tamsbergs that provision is past. Anyone interested in speaking before this group in public comment is certainly welcome to offer whatever view you have of this. Come one come all will be an interesting night.
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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2011, 01:43:31 PM »
Don't forget if you do come we may be under the watch of the City Police. Wonder if that will be pulled twice. Maybe Rene is not as "uncomfortable" around Rothrock like Lane was. Other than those of us with Public Comment it should not be interactive in any way.
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Re: Hardie Plank
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2011, 09:48:16 PM »
I was wrong. It was very interactive. I think this City enjoys having lawsuits. I believe the kill feeds their ego. The meeting was back and forth between Newcomb and King was quite enthralling. Over Newcomb's fence, which has been up for a while with a contingent of a years approval and the ARB was asking him for a site plan that was submitted last year. Why the board had not reviewed anything before the meeting is beyond me. I know they are volunteers doing a thankless job but fair is fair. Staff if supposed to give them all submitted paperwork. Why does it come down to a p***ing contest with certain people. Newcomb mentioned a lawsuit. They are going to do an onsite meeting at some point to deal with his fence. HardiePlank was another boisterous episode. Two opposing legal sides giving their perspective. Charges of bias and prejudice flying with three ARB members at one point giving a perfectly choreographed "I voted on the merits only of this application". Too perfect. The vote to approve the rehearing was, well who knows, a tie again. I think Scott video taped the entire thing. I hope they sell copies as some of it was so surreal that I need a refresher.
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Re: Hardie Plank
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2011, 10:57:18 AM »
Were the cops there?  Did anyone feel "uncomfortable"?
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Re: Hardie Plank
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2011, 02:09:19 PM »
No cops. Just a big row that lasted over an hour. I was uncomfortable several times but I am sure no one cared.
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Re: Hardie Plank
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2011, 02:16:09 PM »
Lee, is there video of Steve's presentation?

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Re: Hardie Plank
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2011, 02:22:24 PM »
There should be. I think Scott videoed the entire thing. Maybe with an article tomorrow there will be some video.
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Re: Hardie Plank
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2011, 05:33:23 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-_dt2e6ahE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E_Jd_Ec2YA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZtPpltI6zc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAi0e0I4PM&feature=related

A bit of History Preservation stuff.

The most fundamental requirement of procedural due process is the opportunity to be heard. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that a trial-type hearing is not required in every case. A hearing will be deemed sufficient if it provides all interested persons sufficient opportunity to present their cases fairly in a meeting open to the public.

The right to be heard also includes the right to an impartial proceeding. Historic preservation board or commission members must be unbiased. They must avoid prejudging a case or exhibiting personal animosity against any particular individual. When a conflict of interest exists, the board member should remove himself or herself from the decision-making process. Members must also avoid ex parte contacts, including any oral or written communications that are not part of the public record and which other interested parties have not been given reasonable notice.

While allegations have been made that historic preservation boards, as a whole, are institutionally biased in favor of preservation, this argument has generally failed in recognition that the specialized backgrounds of many individual board members actually help to ensure fair and informed decision making.